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Susan Wiedmann

3 Months Ago

New Windows 10 October Upgrade Warning

I don't have Windows 10 but know people who use it. Here is a new warning about the October upgrade - the computer experts here can translate.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-october-update-problems-wiped-docs-plus-intel-driver-warning/

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Georgia Mizuleva

3 Months Ago

Thank you, Susan!

 

TL Mair

3 Months Ago

Makes a person glad they didn't go for Windows "Free" upgrade to 10 way back when doesn't it!!

TL Mair

 

MM Anderson

3 Months Ago

Why would it delete documents! That's crazy, even for a Windows bug. Guess I'd better do another backup before they get to me.

 

Joy McKenzie

3 Months Ago

If you read about this update's problems (said to anyone interested), this has to do with OneDrive. IF you use OneDrive, then there is a problem with this Win 10 update. OneDrive is Windows' cloud storage program, which is built into Windows. It's not an app that you can uninstall. IF you use it...i.e. you've set up an account and post docs/images to this cloud...what may happen is any files on the OneDrive cloud that are still on your local computer have been getting erased per some reports. In other words, if you have your files on OneDrive AND on your local computer, it seems that the update erases the matching files on your local computer.

If you don't care that they are not on your local computer anymore, then everything is fine. If you want them on both the cloud and your local computer, then you have a problem. Seems it's a problem that can be fixed by transferring a copy of those files on the OneDrive cloud BACK to your computer, but not sure as I don't use OneDrive. It's on my computer yes, but I never set up a cloud account or signed into it in any way with my Microsoft account password, etc. I have no files on OneDrive, so there won't be any erasures with this update.

I'm not a Microsoft tech, so I don't know if this is happening to everyone with this update, or what. Just saying what I gleaned from the two articles I read.

 

Abbie Shores

3 Months Ago

I sync so them being removed will not bother me, but thank you so much for the warning!

 

Joy McKenzie

3 Months Ago

I would add this to my post above, but it's already bigger than what most want to read.

The other thing that's throwing a wrench into the works is.... your Win 10 update will be blocked if you do not have your Intel audio display drivers up to date. My computer isn't even a year old so I'm assuming the audio display driver is current, but I'll check A. If it's an Intel, and B. if it's up to date.

I just see a lot of calls to Microsoft in the very near future! :)

 

Mike Savad

3 Months Ago

i wonder if only goes after the default documents directory? i've always put it in my own. i also back up the documents every day along with the images and stuff. glad i didn't install it, glad i found the install files or i would have no room left on that drive. and hope they keep updating win 7, until they can fix these really bad and stupid bugs.


---Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

Abbie Shores

3 Months Ago

Driver snafu thrashes CPUs and guzzles batteries

As well as the usual complaints from overenthusiastic users reporting freezes during setup and mysteriously vanishing files or apps, a low rumble of dissatisfaction could be heard regarding battery life. One Redditor reported a markedly decreased time between charges while another chimed in with similar woes.

The culprit, according to a support article, could be a compatibility issue with a bunch of Intel Display Audio drivers that can end up sending CPU usage skyrocketing and battery life plummeting.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/AMP/2018/10/04/microsoft_windows_10_1809_audio/

 

Bonfire Photography

3 Months Ago

Typical of all software designers, always messing around with the code and never knowing when good enough is good enough. Always tweaking the code and causing problems unseen until users report it. If windows 10 was a car it would be a lemon. I use 8 and turned off all updates the day I got it for this reason alone. They always try and freak you out about important security updates. Had the latest Firefox update at work and now the browsers always crashes, worked fine before and now it is junk. The sad thing is they release it to the public and leave sour tastes in their mouths and then they wonder why people are negative?

 

Abbie Shores

3 Months Ago

I don't use Firefox any more. Had some fabulous extensions on it that Firefox update obliterated. So I have to use Chrome now

 

Susan Maxwell Schmidt

3 Months Ago

I came here to post about this, I'm glad to see it's already here. There is a fix, but not an especially ideal one: How to recover personal data lost by upgrading to the Windows 10 October 2018 Update.

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Joy McKenzie

3 Months Ago

You will get a specific screen when the Win 10 update starts that tells you your Intel audio display drivers are not current. And you can't proceed further. The update won't overwrite and start destroying stuff... it gets stopped (blocked) before it updates at all.

 
 

Crystal Wightman

3 Months Ago

I would like to add.. my father called this morning complaining about this update. He lost everything (he doesn't use onedrive).

 

Susan Wiedmann

3 Months Ago

Joy, I think Crystal's father might disagree with you!

 

Bill Posner

3 Months Ago

So glad I migrated away from Windows. This is news I"ve also heard from friends of mine, some contacted me as I use to be in the biz, but sadly I had to tell them I had no idea about the issue/solution. I will pass these links on, thanks!

 

Joy McKenzie

3 Months Ago

How does someone 'lose everything' with this update? His hard drive got wiped out or what?

Someone in the know tweeted this: "Heads up to anyone updating windows. Apparently, if you have documents saved in your user directory, i.e. users/JohnDoe, and not OneDrive, the update will delete EVERYTHING in that location. So if your "Documents" or "Pictures" don't have a one drive symbol, MIGRATE IMMEDIATELY!"

There's a problem with files in your "Documents" folder and your "Pictures" folder. He is saying to copy them to another drive.... external, flash drive, cloud. I don't use these folders on my machine, and everything is backed up round the clock with my Carbonite subscription.

 

Mary Bedy

3 Months Ago

Another reinforcement for me that if my Mac ever dies, I'll go into hock to get another Mac. I work in Windows and I hate it and I'm only still in Windows 7 there. I've worked on both platforms for years and soooooo much prefer my Mac. Sooooo much. Only about 1/100th the issues as I have with Windows.

 
 

Jessica Jenney

3 Months Ago

Well, thats good news, William!

 

David King

3 Months Ago

I wish they would give us the option to only allow security patches. All these major "upgrades" do is add a bunch of crap I don't want.

 

Susan Wiedmann

3 Months Ago

Message to self: Don't let anything do something automatically for you. Wait until an update/upgrade has been out for at least a few days before installing it, after you check for complaints about it.

 

Susan Maxwell Schmidt

3 Months Ago

I will stick with Windows 7 until it no longer functions. Since I'm bioperating system anyway, I'll probably just move entirely over to the Mac platform when that happens. I despise Microsoft almost as much as I despise Facebook.

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Mary Bedy

3 Months Ago

Susan, once you go Mac, you'll never go back....

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Susan Maxwell Schmidt

3 Months Ago

I'm already both Mary. I create all my art on iDevices, but I don't use my iMac to do the finishing touches, I use my PC. When it comes to desktops, I prefer the PC. Course, my PC has a LOT more graphic and processing power than my iMac, so I reserve the right to change my mind at a later date ;)

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Mike Savad

9 Days Ago

because those programs aren't perfect. the security fills in holes in the program itself that microsoft missed. or that people learned to exploit. the virus/malware only detect actual programs.

so in other words, if you have a peeping tom coming to your house, looking into your windows. the update will draw the curtain. where as the guy physically drilling a hole in your wall, putting a foot in the door etc, those are stopped by the other program (maybe). its like a patch. it just stops things.

i can tell you, that so far everything feels the same as win 7 and a lot of the worry is hype. i had a largish install (a quarterly update for security and it waited on the install till i was ready. i could adjust the hours (home version). there are some privacy things i had to uncheck, and i think there are a few others i have to mess with. technically your always a tester with updates on bother versions.

the problem with delaying a security update means your computer may become infected or attacked, and they all have to be the same. if your machine was a part of a network, it could bring down a company if your wasn't the only machine patched. you should be updating your win 7 anyway.

its more like getting a car where they update engine performance and radio features. though, i believe they do try to force features on you which makes other things not work. i just keep everything updated. it happens in the background, your not aware of the download.


things i don't like about win 10:

my wacom works or not works. i don't get it. it might not be fully compatible.
the system font size is super tiny. and adjusting the size of that makes everything else hard to read.

if you run a program the system doesn't like, it erases it. one of them was a file that burned discs, and poof its gone with out warning. i found i had a firefox quantum that i have been trying to set up. and it vanished also. no idea where it went or when it left. i had a backup i made. so there is something going on with the program. i still haven't gotten cortana to work, my mic, or my 5.1 surround.

but people can't complain because they only really have this one choice. or they have a mac or linux or some other weird software.


----Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

Jessica Jenney

9 Days Ago

I've been lucky. I have never had any problem with the Windows 10 updates. I use Windows 10 Defender as my antivirus. I dropped Avast.

 

Ed Taylor

9 Days Ago

Jessica, I wouldn't call it luck, the great majority of people out there don't have problems with Windows 10 or the updating.

 

Jessica Jenney

9 Days Ago

Ed, I think the people who have had problems have upgraded to Windows 10 from a former OS

 

Chuck De La Rosa

9 Days Ago

so in other words, if you have a peeping tom coming to your house, looking into your windows. the update will draw the curtain. where as the guy physically drilling a hole in your wall, putting a foot in the door etc, those are stopped by the other program (maybe). its like a patch. it just stops things.

Pretty good analogy Mike. The business of malware is huge. Every day thousands of new variants of malware are released into the wild. Black hats spend a great deal of time looking for new vulnerabilities, not just in Windows, but MAC, Linux, Android, iOS, Java, Flash Player, Acrobat Reader, and hundreds of other commonly used software. So keep ALL your software up to date, not just Windows.

And I agree with Ed, it's not luck. I help mange thousands of PC on our companies network, most of which are Windows 10. We just don't have issues with updates.

 

Mike Savad

9 Days Ago

its sort of like the malware programs etc are dogs and fences. but people that really want to get in, will jump the fence, and give the dog a steak. then exploit the weakness that's in your house itself. through that open vent, window or crawl space.


----Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

Joy Bradley

9 Days Ago

THE GEEK SQUAD WAS HERE LAST NIGHT!

 

Carel Schmidlkofer

9 Days Ago

Thanks for the warning. The last update a few weeks ago completely crashed my computer. I always back up my files, but have never experienced something like this with a Windows 10 update. Usually I have to have a tech make some adjustments after an update because the system runs slow and crashes, but never had I lost total access to my files, desktop and internet. Had to actually take it into the shop for fixing. I guess no way out of Windows 10 updates other than getting a Mac and believe me, it is an appealing consideration at this point.

 

Susan Wiedmann

9 Days Ago

I have also read that in a few years support for Windows 10 will end. The next incarnation will require a monthly fee.

 

Jessica Jenney

9 Days Ago

Windows 10 will be around through 2025 at least!

 

Susan Wiedmann

8 Days Ago

For those of you who have Windows 10, do you use the Home or Pro version? And did you upgrade or get a new computer with Windows 10 already installed?

Edit: I just read that since I have Windows 7 Pro I would need Windows 10 Pro when upgrading to avoid losing my Windows 7 applications and settings.

 

Time to start to consider changing to Mac or Linux, I am not subscribing to an operating system. Hopefully more programs will make Linux versions if this comes about. Screw Adobe, they started this crap.


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Jessica Jenney

8 Days Ago

I got a new computer in 2015 with Windows 10 factory installed. I have the home version. I just had a new update last night, No problem.

Susan W, maybe you can post your links here of articles that you read?

 

Mike Savad

8 Days Ago

i bought it, so its the home version. its really only missing 2 things and one of them (the group policy editor can be turned on with a command). the other i didn't know what it was. it wasn't worth another $50 for it.

there is a trick, but it messed me up on a reinstall. i had win 7 pro - OEM version (its designed to install only once). and you can use the pro code on the home version and it become pro.

but if you had to reinstall everything from scratch, neither serial code works. which is why i ended up installing it 3 times over that day. home works totally fine.

i ordered the download version, it really should come on a dvd, it only needs that size, but it only comes as download or thumb drive. and the thumb version everyone hates because a lot of them don't work. basically i bought a serial number.

you'll need an email address and a password - they force you to use it for some reason to use the system, to log on etc. there is a way to set it up so the system inserts your log on for you. its super annoying. i guess its just another ploy to spam you.

i would have kept 7 in place, but it made little sense to keep it, might as well get it over with, with the new build.


----Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

Carel Schmidlkofer

8 Days Ago

A monthly fee for Windows support? Hardly seems fair when we are forced to use it because it comes installed in the computers we buy. I'd like to know of good graphic programs for Macs comparable to Photoshop because I think I am leaning towards that next time.

 

James Ribniker

8 Days Ago

If you don't backup your files it's no ones fault but yours. And don't believe everything you read. I think Abraham Lincoln once said, " Don't believe everything you read on the Internet." 220GB of data lost?????? Must not have been very important.

 

Carel Schmidlkofer

8 Days Ago

Fair enough James, but I back up my files daily. The last Windows upgrade for some reason rendered my computer completely unusable. I could not access my files nor the internet. I had to spend $$ to have Geek Squad work it out. GS told me it was due to the latest update. Usually MS does this without notifying users so most of the time it isn't until I have a problem with my system that I find Windows was at it again ...

 

Susan Wiedmann

8 Days Ago

Jessica, per your request above re links:

Here is the link to the chart in the Microsoft article showing that Windows 7 Professional needs a Windows 10 Professional upgrade (vs. an upgrade to Windows 10 Home). It says that is in order to avoid losing existing applications and settings a user has in Windows 7 Professional. In the chart the Windows 10 Home upgrade option from Windows 7 Professional has a "D" mark, which is the red flag. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/upgrade/windows-10-upgrade-paths

With the reported huge sizes of the Windows 10 updates I wonder how soon it will be before many people begin to notice their hard drives are getting full, especially people with "older" computers.



 

Ed Taylor

8 Days Ago

I do not believe there will be any subscription fees for Windows 10. That rumor has been going around for a few years now and started when a confused blogger was writing about Microsoft 365.

 

Mike Savad

8 Days Ago

i think that applies to adobe and such. microsoft forced the software into people's machines originally. i don't think they would start charging everyone all of the sudden.

i can't imagine what settings are pro specific, that you would have or couldn't adjust to.

people with old computers tend to have to get new ones sooner or later. and drives are cheap now, relatively. i just updated my secondary drive and back up to 10tb drives. they go up to 14tb if you have the money. even 4 is really cheap right now. windows on my drive is just under 20gb. i remember when it was on a 3.5 disk. the ssd is like 500gb.

but i am telling you that if you get the home version, your pro serial number will work in it. at least once anyway. but you don't gain much with the pro version. its not worth the extra money.


----Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

David King

8 Days Ago

There already is a required subscription for W10 Enterprise, I don't believe there are any plans to do the same thing with W10 Home.

My computer is 3 1/2 years old now, I'm thinking I maybe should buy a new one before this one craps out.

 

Susan Wiedmann

8 Days Ago

Mike, apparently W10 Home will work with the old W7 Pro serial number, but issues can then arise with missing W7 settings and applications. It will cost a lot more than $50 to have someone come in and try to recover files, etc. I and many others are not fluent in computerese! :) And the resulting waste of time.....

 

Mike Savad

8 Days Ago

but what files and settings do you use that is specific to pro? i can't imagine too many, i would assume its network based. the files are all on the pc, windows cocoons the old windows files.

i think the best you should do is, backup all your files, programs and settings. i do find win 10 has erased a few programs of mine, and i can't figure out why. maybe i did something, hard to know.

it may be a good time just to install everything again on fresh drives. because drives don't last forever and you have to install it again anyway (you should be getting the program and not the upgrade or you'll have to install 7 then 10 if you want to put it back in). then just put it all in fresh like i did. its a pain, but everything is neat again.

i found the best way to save settings is a simple screen grab. i created a series of images of each and every setting and just went through it all after it was installed. i still missed some like the system functions and font sizes, folder settings etc.


----Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

Susan Wiedmann

8 Days Ago

Sooooo...in glancing at the other headline news today this latest Windows 7 Patch news caught my eye. It might as well be written in Martianese as far as I'm concerned, but it seems to fall under the category of "uh oh, yet again." It says, "Thankfully for Microsoft, hardworking admins continue to spot bugs that it didn't detect during pre-release testing."
https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-killer-windows-7-patch-breaks-networking-bricks-legit-not-genuine-pcs/

Life is short. How much time are we willing to devote to our computers beyond just using them?

How much does a desktop Mac cost - with basic programs, not all the bells and whistles?

 

Mike Savad

8 Days Ago

mac has viruses just like a pc. in the past the os would update and not much would be compatible. you would have to sort of re-learn a dumbed down system, and its really more money than a pc. i woudln't want to go that way, all the software would have to be changed as well.

that bug sounds like it hits companies with networks than a home user.


----Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

Chuck De La Rosa

8 Days Ago

Mike is right, for most people Pro is not worth the extra money. However the two big things that many power users can take advantage of is Hyper-V and Bitlocker. However if you have Windows 7 Pro, there is no good reason to install Windows 10 Home, just stick with Pro.

There already is a required subscription for W10 Enterprise

Enterprise isn't even available as a single license. It's only for corporate customers who have Enterprise agreements with Microsoft for volume licensing.

 

Mike Savad

8 Days Ago

the only bad thing with the bitlocker is - if you forget your password, you just crypto'd your own machine. and won't be able to access anything.


----Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

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