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Yuri Tomashevi

9 Days Ago

Mona Lisa Brought To Life By Ai

Samsung's AI research laboratory in Moscow has used deepfake technology to animate one of the world's most famous paintings, the Mona Lisa by Leonardo da Vinci.

See Mona Lisa talk here -> https://www.futuretimeline.net/blog/2019/05/25.htm

What do you think about this new technology? Will it impact an art of making portraits (both painting and photo)?

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Yuri Tomashevi

9 Days Ago

The name of this technology - Deepfake - is very modern. This technology is at its infancy. What will happen when deepfake will mature?

 

Michael Hoard

9 Days Ago

Hello Yuri, its all about technology and do not see it having any impact. Here is a real life image of Mardi Gras costume the artist painted a life size painting of The Mona Lisa cut a hole out, and walked around all day Mardi Gras Day so anyone could stand behind the painting, get your portrait photo taken and become a real life Mona Lisa no technology needed. Such a clever costume......

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I am not certain if it was Facebook or Google, I would find some of my still images turned animated which I do not care for. If I wanted an animated image I would have created it myself.....they are short clips of a still image, technology advances every day......

 

Yuri Tomashevi

9 Days Ago

Well - a funny hole in some replica of a picture - is one thing. I used to pose in similar holes (not in Mona Lisa) by myself - just for fun.

An ability to make any (!!) person's portrait (and soon - not just people and not just portrait) talking and moving - that is a totally different level.

 

Michael Hoard

9 Days Ago

The presentation are creatively done and similar to virtual reality, it is amazing how technology continues to advance into the future.....

 

Abbie Shores

9 Days Ago

Ugh. Clever, but ugh

 

Carmen Hathaway

9 Days Ago

 
Previous thread on this topic a few months ago has some interesting responses.

Ai People Who Don't Exist

https://fineartamerica.com/showmessages.php?messageid=4703114

 

Val Arie

9 Days Ago

I find it amazing but kind of scary.

 

Drew

9 Days Ago

Oh Scary it is and it's already being miss used.

 

Doug Swanson

9 Days Ago

Yeah, scary but unstoppable. If this stuff is new now, imagine what it can be 50 years from now. It's the Blade Runner plot all over again.

 

At the rate in which technology is improving, I'm not sure we'll recognize this world in 20 years. What I find concerning is that over the same period of time, mankind has not kept up with the technology. In many ways, I think the very technology that was supposed to help us has actually harmed us.

 

Drew

9 Days Ago

people pay to have their DNA analyzed and stored in databases. they volunteer extreme amounts of personal information on social media. they subject themselves to countless advertisements, and other forms of propaganda. And now, the likeness of any individual can appear to say anything by the command of a puppet master. Brave New World for sure!

 

Chuck De La Rosa

9 Days Ago

For some reason this made me think of the movie Surrogates. Not such a great movie, but a fascinating concept.

In some respects this is kind of weird, but certainly people have wondered what she was like.

 

Floyd Snyder

9 Days Ago

I don't see the big deal here. Hollywood has been doing this for years.

You don't think there really was a Jurassic Park full of Dinasours do you?

 

Drew

9 Days Ago

Chuck, I didn't see the movie"Surrogates." It does not have the best rating but the premise is interesting. The trailer states it is based on a graphic novel.

 

Tame Anderson

8 Days Ago

Tame say hello Yuri. [smile]
Tame know AI and Deepfake. Tame use in making anime. Program face to move the same and talk the same as person. some make funny videos of leaders saying funny things they not say. Some make leaders say bad things too.

 

Drew

8 Days Ago

That's the thing with deepfake: we are at the point where no longer a video can be taken at face value! The perception of reality is being altered to the point where all media is doubted.

 

Chuck De La Rosa

8 Days Ago

I haven't taken photos, videos, or news stories at face value for at least 30 years. This makes it even more questionable.

 

Yuri Tomashevi

8 Days Ago

Very few private citizens (like Tame) could use AI+Deepfake today to make an animated portrait. And technology is not mature yet and we could see that is not a real person talking but it is a man-made animation.

Here is how this technology will evolve.
- We don't know when but this technology will mature to a point when we could not distinguish between video with real person talking and AI+Deepfake animation of this person talking.
- Next - AI+Deepfake technology will become a cheap and easy to use package, which everybody could use. At that point more people (including children) will start to use it for fun.
- Everybody, who use AI+Deepfake technology, will understand that with that fake reality they could make other people to believe a visual information, presented by AI+Deepfake. But that understanding would still be limited. In their consciousness people would limit this phenomena to a fun stuff.

- Next will come a point of no return. Most people will have a hands-on experience of creating a fake (and looking like real) video of people and events. And that would a start of a fundamental shift in a human psychology - that we could not trust any video information from anyone anymore. Our perception of not local world will become fuzzy as we all will know that we could not trust any source of information anymore. Consequences for communities, countries, world politics and human society as a whole could be shattering.

The only hope is that an anti-fake technology will also evolve. Such technology packages could be used as an installed filters in our computers and TV. However, probably, it will not be available for everybody initially. And then there would be a never ending war between AI+Deepfake fake producers and anti-fake filter producers. That war would be much like current war between computer hackers and anti-virus and anti-malware programs. Unfortunately you could never be sure that your information is fake-free (like you could never be sure that your computer is virus-free now).

 

Drew

8 Days Ago

"Very few private citizens (like Tame) could use AI+Deepfake today to make an animated portrait. And technology is not mature yet and we could see that is not a real person talking but it is a man-made animation."

Yuri,
you may be right and I am not familiar with the deepfake software but what I have seen coming out of Hollywood is almost indistinguishable from actual dead actors like Carrie Fisher as Princess Leia. We all can imagine a hostile entity like the bad guy out of a James Bond movie deceiving the public on a massive scale.

 

Yuri Tomashevi

8 Days Ago

Drew,

Well ... Then we may be closer to a point of no return.

 

Drew

8 Days Ago

Let us hope not Yuri!
The rate of digital advancement and the ability to regulate said advancement are on two different scales.
The deepfake application as it relates to art is very fascinating and exciting. I saw the Mona Lisa video a few months back and I had an idea how this technology could be used as a great educational tool. My hope is that it will be utilized to bring a new generation into the reunification of art and science.

 

Robert Kernodle

8 Days Ago

I predict that the technology will continue to advance to a point where different active faces can be placed on different bodies not of the person with that face, and then the resulting fake full-body figures can be depicted as participating in pornographic situations, and this will be the primary use of it -- to advance the porno industry, to make otherwise conservative people appear depraved, and then use this to destroy reputations or blackmail people for large sums, where available.

Many years ago, before 911, I once commented in a futuristic-oriented magazine about how terrorists could take advantage of mega-buildings.

 

Don Northup

8 Days Ago

Deepfake software is not that hard to find. Deepfake porn videos have been around for years and some of the popular sites finally started to ban deepfake celeb vids in 2018.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/charliewarzel/pornhub-banned-deepfake-celebrity-sex-videos-but-the-site#.ayQ9QJRPj7

This deepfake image app was just recently released and then pulled.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/27/18760896/deepfake-nude-ai-app-women-deepnude-non-consensual-pornography

The problem is the apps and software can still be found on the web even though authors pull it. In fact apps like Deepnude could be found on Github until they banned it as well.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/9/20687902/github-bans-deepnude-deepfakes-ai-nudity-app-copies

It's not that tough to make deepfakes these days --> all you need is the software.

The U.S. Gov including the Pentagon are racing to combat deepfakes as mentioned on one of the earlier AI threads. (See the thread Carmen linked above for more info and amazing examples.)

In experiments the technique was at least 92% accurate in spotting several variations of deepfakes, including face swaps and ones in which an impersonator is using a digital puppet. It was also able to deal with artifacts in the files that come from recompressing a video, which can confuse other detection techniques. The researchers plan to improve the technique by accounting for characteristics of a person’s speech as well. The research, which was presented at a computer vision conference in California this week, was funded by Google and DARPA, a research wing of the Pentagon. DARPA is funding a program to devise better detection techniques.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613846/a-new-deepfake-detection-tool-should-keep-world-leaders-safefor-now/

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Drew

8 Days Ago

"I don't see the big deal here."
Floyd, maybe you dismissed everyone's concerns a little too soon! Don has pointed out quit a few excellent reasons for concern. It even concerns the Pentagon.
Thanks Don for the info!

 

Chuck De La Rosa

8 Days Ago

Deepfake is a descriptive term and not in itself a software. The name comes from a former Reddit user called deepfakes who was behind a lot of the early deepfake porn. The actual technology has it's roots in the '90s.

And yes, we are at the point of no return. This stuff is very mature and as Don pointed out not all that hard to do.

 

Yuri Tomashevi

7 Days Ago

There is another technology in that regard - "Photo WakeUp". Photo Wake-Up is a 3D Character Animation from a Single Photo. A person from that photo/picture could leave the photo and go into a room. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=43&v=G63goXc5MyU

 

Drew

7 Days Ago

Chuck, I did not know this. I thought the name came from the Deep Learning AI.

Yuri, that is a weird video....lol!
thanks for sharing

 

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